The vote that seemed to not count
In about an hour the California Supreme Court will render its ruling on the constitutionality of Proposition 8, the state ballot measure that amended the California Constitution to clearly define marriage as being between a man and a woman. The history of this topic goes back a long way, but the voting history of this issue is still relatively young, having first appeared as Proposition 22 in the 2000 election. In that election the state of California voted almost 2-1 in favor of defining marriage as being between a man and a woman.
After several lawsuits and lengthy court battles the California Supreme Court, seven justices to be exact, ruled that the vote of the people wasn't sufficient and invalidated the vote stating the results of the measure were unconstitutional. Within a matter of months the exact same ballot measure was on the ballot again, this time as an amendment to the California constitution, in the form of Proposition 8. And again the state of California passed the measure.
No sooner had the state spoken on the matter of homosexual marriage for the second time than the opponents to Prop 8 has the legal filings ready. Literally the day after voting day law suits were being filed on the matter. Ultimately the issue was taken up again with the Supreme Court and today the results of the deliberations of the arguments for and against Proposition 8 will be made public. At stake are whether Proposition 8 is legal based on its status as an amendment AND whether all of the marriages performed during the few months when Prop 22 was reversed will still be recognized by the state of California as legal marriages.
At the end of day all I can muster up on this subject now is that regardless of the outcome I will still hold fast to my belief that marriage is between a man and a woman. I know that this line of thinking is not popular in today's world and that conservative political views being broadcast over liberal media channels like television, radio and the Internet generally leads to bashing, slamming and the attacking of liberals asking the question "how can you think that way?". And while I could easily ask that question of my liberal friends who believe homosexual marriage is perfectly acceptable, I won't.
They have their reasons for believing the way they do and I have mine. I don't hold their opinions or beliefs against them and I don't find it cause enough to call them names like "closed-minded", "intolerant" or "ignorant". No, in fact I value differences of opinion between mine and others. It stimulates conversation and opens the door to communication between people of differing beliefs.
I have stated more than once my opposition to homosexual marriage. That hasn't changed. I don't believe it is about equality or there would be a stronger push for marriage rights for children, inter-familial marriages and marriages among people already married. I don't believe sexual preference should be the basis for minority status any more than religious belief should so the case that denying the observance of homosexual marriage is discriminatory really doesn't make sense to me (though legally it does since California does see homosexuals as a minority). No, I think this has more to do with a group of people wanting something that someone told them they couldn't have and as a result that group of people have done all they can to get what they feel they deserve. More power to them. If I wanted something that someone said I couldn't have I would probably go crazy trying to get it anyway I could, too.
Perhaps one day when crazy Christians, Jews, Muslims and Scientologists fight for their status as a minority and start trying to get laws passed specifically for their minority group it will become clear what some people that oppose homosexual marriage feel. Perhaps not. But as I have said before, I will not hate you or condemn you for your belief. To the contrary, I welcome your opinion and hope that it can open a dialog between opposing sides, opposing view points and opposing political beliefs so that we as a people can be brought together, even in opposition, rather than being torn asunder because of our beliefs.
Dude, let’s protest Prop 8 in SF
In keeping with my growing confusion over those that would protest the outcome of a vote, today I was astonished to read an article in the Oakland Tribune outlining a protest that took place in San Francisco on Friday night. It was a protest that again affected traffic and involved the protesting of a church.
When is this madness going to end? Why, in a city that voted close to 100% No on 8, are people protesting? Who are they trying to win over? They are blocking traffic which is raising the costs of their city by making police officers work overtime or making their police department work more officers, they are negatively affecting thousands of people and they are throwing a massive tantrum in a city that didn't even vote for the proposition they are protesting. What sense does this make?
And what sense does it make to protest the LDS church in any city? So they donated money for a cause they believe in (no, I am not a Mormon, I am a Christian). Would you want people coming after you because they are mad that you gave to a cause you believe in? That is just plain stupid. Actually, it is more mob-like than anything, giving the appearance that they are trying to intimidate people for their support of an initiative that the protesters don't like.
They are a church. The Christian church did the same thing. They stood behind their values and morals and asked their members to do the same thing. No one can make anyone do anything, not even in the church. Targeting the LDS is plain wrong. Targeting anyone is just wrong.
I wonder when will come a day when those that do not agree with someone can actually peacefully coexist with those they do not agree with, without protesting them, without calling them names, without defacing their property, without any of the foolishness that was exhibited in this campaign. I know both side participated in this type of activity. I know many people that had their "No on 8" signs defaced, stolen or damaged. One of my "Yes on 8" signs was stolen from my front yard.
This type of behavior is silly, stupid, immature and wrong. We can disagree without becoming mortal enemies. But for crying out loud, if you must speak up on your opinion, can't you do so without targeting an individual or organization. Speak your mind. That is awesome. Many American's have fought many battles and lost their lives in many cases so that we can stand on a street corner and speak loudly against those ideals that we think are wrong. But keep it to that. Speak loudly, speak clearly and make your point your point. You don't need to storm a church to do that.
Proposition 8 protests in Southern California
I heard today that there was going to be a protest in North Hollywood tonight. There was mention of it on Craigslist as well as other places on the Internet. And at first I couldn't believe it. But when it was mentioned that a church was being targeted in this march it became obvious that this was indeed happening.
I am amazed. I am amazed at the outcry on the internet surrounding this proposition. I am amazed at how many No on 8 people are speaking out on the Internet and now, it would seem, in person. 52% of the state of California voted for proposition 8. There was even support for Proposition 8 among homosexual people. The people spoke loud and clear and the response to this vote is to protest, block traffic, target a church for their monetary donations and otherwise throw a loud tantrum? What the hell is wrong with this picture?
If a proposition to approve of same-gender marriage was passed and those opposed to it were protesting, marching and targeting the likes of PG&E, Apple Computers and Google, wouldn't those that fought for their proposition be up in arms at the thought of that? What names would they call these people? How would they be depicted in the media? How would things be different?
If the feelings of those opposed to maintaining marriage as being between a man and woman felt as they do why did they not attempt to get a ballot measure passed like those that got Prop 8 on the ballot? Why did they think the outcome would be different now as opposed to eight years ago when we as a state voted the exact same way? And how in the world can they now turn to the courts to have a vote overturned... again? If those that oppose marriage being between a man and woman really had the desire to see marriage opened up why would they not ask the state to vote on it?
Is it perhaps because they knew they couldn't win it by vote and instead chose to turn to the same court system that overturned the people's vote last time? That would be my guess.
And for the record, your tantrums, pity parties and whining in public are not really going to sway anyone's opinion. It might make people mad at you, but I can almost guarantee you no one will choose to vote your way or support your cause - that opposed you before - if you continue to attempt to quiet their voices at the behest of a handful of judges.
California has spoken on marriage once again
There were probably no greater a controversial ballot proposition this past election than that of Proposition 8 in my home state of California. The erroneously named "Same-sex marriage ban" proposition had gotten the attention of just about every state in the nation along with just about every media outlet in the nation. It was one of the most expensive, if not the most expensive proposition campaign ever and it is likely to be far from over now that California has, for the second time, voted to recognize marriage as being between a man and a woman.
For those unfamiliar to this proposition (have you been living under a rock?), the entire premise of the proposition is the adding of the following text to the California constitution:
"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California."
Somehow this has gotten the name of the "Same-sex marriage ban" proposition. The "OFFICIAL TITLE AND SUMMARY" as "PREPARED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL" in the California voter guide was "ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY". It was even referred to in some circles as the "Gay Marriage ban" proposition.
I have to tell you I was extremely disappointed with just about every aspect of Proposition 8 with the exception of it's passing. The text of the proposed constitutional amendment was the exact same text that was proposed in the 2000 election under proposition 22. The text of the law specifically states "marriage between a man and woman". Minor apologies to those of you who believe that this was a same-sex issue, but the reality of it is that this proposition was for people that believe marriage to be between a man and woman. This was not a "same-sex" issue, it was a "marriage between a man and woman" issue.
I found it ironic that so many people turned the desire of a group of people that want to protect marriage into something that was based on same-gender marriage or homosexual marriage. That is ludicrous. And to say it eliminated rights is just as ludicrous. In 2000 the people of the state of California voted to make marriage valid only when between a man and woman. 52 of 58 counties voted for Prop 22. It was passed overwhelmingly by the people of the state.
Eight years later four judges, four, on the California supreme court overruled the people's decision stating the Prop 22 was unconstitutional because it discriminated against couples of the same gender that sought marriage. Since when have judges been given the right to overturn vote results? If they can do that, why vote at all? Why not just ask judges to pass all of our laws for us?
So they did. They overturned Prop 22 and for the last five and a half months marriages were being performed between couples of the same gender. They in effect handed the right of marriage to people that up until that time did not have the right to marry under that context. Keep in mind that people of the same gender that have sought to become united have been able to do so for some time now under California's and America's laws recognizing civil unions. The only difference is that the term "marriage" has not been recognized in California as marriage unless it was between a man and a woman. Until the judges got involved.
So their decision then gave the Attorney General the ability to label Proposition 8 as "Eliminates the rights of same-sex couples to marry". Astonishing. Why not read the text of the proposed law and label the proposition as such? "Recognizes marriage as being between a man and a woman". That sounds more like the proposed law to me.
For the record I want to say that I have no ill feelings toward anyone. I don't hate homosexual people. I am not afraid of homosexual people. I am not mad at homosexual people. My opinions on marriage are not about the choices people make in their lifestyle. They are about what I believe marriage is. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Period.
I do, however, get bothered somewhat by folks that believe that because someone makes a choice they should be granted rights that they would not normally have had they not made that choice. These are the people that make statements associating homosexuality to ethnicity or gender. People that believe the struggle of the homosexual community is akin to the struggle of African-Americans that marched with Dr. Martin Luther King or Malcolm X. People that associate homosexuality to me being a male or me being Mexican. Thanks for trying to make your point but please do not place your sexual preference in the same category as my ethnic heritage or my gender. I didn't choose to be a man nor did I choose to be Mexican. Homosexuality cannot be compared to these.
It can be compared to being a Christian. Or being a smoker. Or being a Republican. Those are all choices that are made. And not one of them carries with it a privilege afforded it simply because one aligns himself or herself with that particular group. A smoker that is told to smoke outside a restaurant because it is a non-smoking restaurant is not being discriminated against. The smoker chooses to smoke and must smoke according to the law.
A man that wants to marry has every right to marry. But if that man chooses to wed another man, according to the law, he cannot. He can unite with the other man in a civil union. But he cannot marry him. Simple. Understandable. Nondiscriminatory.
I am glad the political campaigning is over. I am glad the elections are over. And I am glad that Proposition 8 passed. I know this is not over yet. We live in a state where when certain people don't get what they want they throw a fit and scream until someone bends. I can assure you there will still be noise on this matter for some time.
But I can also assure you that the state of California has spoken in a mighty voice and it has said clearly that marriage, regardless of your position on it, is supposed to be between a man and woman. It is clear. It is understandable. And now it is constitutional.
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